June 27, 2007
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The Church And I: Tears for Masculine Pain
I recently realized that I am much more compassionate over the failings and struggles of my sisters in Christ (or in the world) than I am over those of my brothers in Christ (or in the world). Moreover, I think this is true of many of us. For example, suppose you heard the news that a Christian friend of yours had "gone too far" with a boy or girl after years of that friend professing sexual purity. What kind of treatment does the female get? I believe the advice I would give would be of the "Girl, you're better than this, this type of behavior will wound you emotionally and break your heart, etc." It would appeal to emotions, be very non-judgmental, etc. But how would I react to the news about a male friend doing this? Perhaps a bland lecture about "Diseases and babies and such"? Or a stern condemnation about "How could you be so stupid as to get involved with that hussy Suzy?" Yes and yes. Why does the male get so much less compassion and so much more condemnation? It's not that women are dumber and thus are somehow less accountable or responsible for sin; the average woman is smarter than the average man.
Also, it concerns me that men may be held to lower standards. If a guy would fall in that situation, there's a "well don't do it again" attitude in many Christian circles, but a girl, now there's great concern because she might get pregnant or her virginity is gone. Some of you Xangans have remarked on this double-standard.
In general, I am concerned that we do not take good care of our brothers in Christ or feel appropriate concern for worldly men when they are in trouble. Some of this may be because men often have more of a position of authority, as in the sexual promiscuity example above; it's less likely that the man was seduced rather than the woman. But regardless, that man is still in sin, needing help out of sin, and I wonder, do I or we really care? Just because John Doe doesn't cry or show up with bruises as a result of his bad marriage doesn't mean that his wife's hateful comments don't rip him up inside. But us men, especially, don't seem to know how to take care of our wounded. And our sisters in Christ sometimes try to fill the gap...but I believe that men really should receive a good portion of their help and support from fellow men. Nowadays, the idea that a wife or girlfriend is responsible for making EVERY PART of her husband's life better has done society some harm; friends slack from their responsibilities, thinking that Mrs. Doe will take care of everything. I prefer the 1800's model almost, where men shared their hearts more with their male friends than their wife. (Note I said almost, ha).
Wow was this stream-of-consciousness, but my posts aren't very good anyway until the comments get started. Lovely job last time, folks, thanks for all the comments.
Anyway, usually when I write a "poor men" post, I get commenters spilling out of the woodwork to tell me how much worse women have it, ha. But go ahead, say your piece in the comment section if that's how you feel. And yes, we'll get off the "gloom and doom" topics soon, but I think it's best to get the tough stuff out of the way all at once.
EDIT: As was pointed out to me, saying that men are in a position of authority doesn't sound right. I should say, more often it appears that men willfully enter sin, while women more often appear drawn or lured into it. Take, for example, the difference between the number of men and women incarcerated. Sadly, as our culture continues to collapse, however, we are definitely seeing an increase in evil committed by women as well as men.
Comments (15)
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I think you'll find men though who are held to a higher standard - one where they know not only are they causing themselves to sin but are also not heeding the command to love as Christ loved the church or even to "love as I have loved".
I agree with your point about John Doe not having bruises or crying about things. Men deal with things so differently than women, and it's often lost.
James
I think it has something to do with the emotional impact on the woman in sexuality. Women tend to be much more emotionally hurt when something like this happens...whereas men (fitting the stereotype, yes) just shrug and go brag about it to their friends. Of course, men have feelings too...but women seem a lot more impacted by them. That is why there is a different response, I'd say. But I'd also say the man is responsible.
haha, spilling out of the woodwork. you're a thought-provoker. unfortunately for you, i agree with this. i always feel worse for a female friend who makes a mistake than for a male friend who does the same thing. maybe that's bad, though. the standard should be the same, but i think the differences in men and women which lead them to do the same things for difference reasons makes me think differently. hm.
I wonder if some of the double standard has to do with church and spirituality being seen as a "womanly thing." I mean how women are more numerous and faithful church attenders than men, men not singing praise songs in church because singing is "girly," ect. As men more and more abdicate collectively from any sort of spiritual responsibility or maturity, the expectations for them become less and less.
Also stream-of-consciousness--don't know where I'm going with this.
Sex is something that women and men are equally resonsible for (except in rape cases). Women aren't lured any more or any less than men. I know a lot of women who were the downfall of formerly pure men. As for wives being the go-to for their husbands... that's not necessarily a bad thing. Sure, it's tough for a spouse to shoulder their husband/wife's burdens, but that's part of the responsibility. And I don't think that men in the 1800s were really talking about deep, personal issues with their guy friends. A lot more things were kept private back then (like "problems" with masturbating, for instance). Too bad it's not like that any more. People think everything is for sharing. Not so.
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i think you are quite right. i've struggled with this myself, in helping brothers. or really men living in the World. It's hard to reach out to them, one because i'm a woman, and that makes it difficult enough, but secondly, with women living in the world, there are many times when we come crashing down and share our hearts, so we can talk about things that satisfy more than sex and relationships and such.
i think it's really because of the strong walls men, especially in the world, uphold, and don't let many in. you know??
hmmm. that's what i think though. i think there is equal concern for the men. i know my Pastor's always crying out for men in general, that he can help reproduce Christ in.
so i know he's a guy that's concerned.
I wholeheartedly agree with your thoughts on men taking care of men, as opposed to letting their spouses take care of them. Men ought to look out for each other... and thankfully, I think in this generation, that is happening more than it has in the past 50+ years. There are more men's groups and men's retreats that focus on that type of thing. For all the horrible things I have accused society of doing, I can at least say that society has helped to "soften" the male image and draw men out to talk more about their feelings and their struggles. It's not perfect yet, but it's gotten better.
I had a thought about the men getting treated differently than women portion of your post, but my thoughts didn't congeal correctly. I think these allergies are killing me. If they come back to me, you'll be the first to know.
I'll start with saying that it's an incredibly manly thing to cry. The emphasis placed, both in the church and outside of it, upon the man being "strong" and not showing emotion is a sad acceptance of stoicism.
Interestingly, I had to deal with a drunk guy last weekend at a wedding. At first I was sure he just wanted a booty call, but as the night progressed, he emphatically made it clear he wanted to hold my hand--whether he thought that would be his way in or if he wanted physical comfort, I don't know. But I later found out that he goes from girl to girl, and has made it around the block a few times.
Looking at the symptoms, I'm just as inclined to say that he's broken like Suzy Q, who looks for comfort in being desired for at least one night. Sex is, after all, connected with power and feelings of validation. And he was getting none of it, where he's used to taking someone different home every night. So I did indeed feel sorry for him, whether that was his intention or not.
As for the double standard concerning male and female sexuality, that deserves its very own book. But a tought--traditionally, the woman has been viewed as a receptical for a baby (which was once thought to be containted in the sperm only) and as passive. The very idea of a woman having any sort of a libido has been taboo--look at the way women who are in touch with their sexuality have been labled. Until we deal with the fact that women have sex drives too, we will continue to think of women only in terms of those looking for validation or those who have been victimized, even when they enter a relationship with eyes wide open.
I don't think women are smarter than the average guy. I agree with your comment on the 1800's. I think a lot of that was due to a lack of homophobia. Even older novels, like The Three Muskateers, don't resonate with current generations as they did when they were first written. Instead, todays partners in crime are like in Pirates of the Caribbean, where the protagonists are more than happy to ditch any loyalty for the affection of a hot hussy.
Oh, and I found Monopoly, the world is saved.
No it's not, I hate monopoly. I am Mr. Second-place when it comes to Monopoly.
I'm afraid that I have to disagree with Ninjitsuknifer about the loyalty and hot hussy being a fairly recent development. Lit then hasn't changed much from lit now--we've just changed the titles. From Les Liasons Dangerouse to Cruel Intentions, for example.
Hi John. We would have loved to have you over. Hope you had a great 4th. Great post by the way! I have been so busy lately I've fallen behind on reading posts. I agree that women appear to be the seduced and men the seducers. That is probably why each gender is treated differently. I think it is important for men to communicate with other men. It is hard sometimes for the opposite gender to fully understand some things. But I also think it is important for the husband and wife to be open and honest with each other. That doesn't mean they have to share every intimate thought throughout their day. Your spouse should also be your best friend.
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