February 10, 2009
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Nice Guys and Bad Boys: Don't Ask "Who?", Ask "Why?"
For whatever reason, there seems to be a fair amount of debate in blogs that ladies write about so called "nice guys", the "average joe", and "bad boys". These labels are thrown about without people seemingly taking a moment to think about what those labels actually mean. I thought it would be good to write a bit about this to help some of my lady friends better understand those categories. So this post is for the ladies (NO, not all my posts are for the ladies, I heard that snide comment! haha). Here is a quick definition, although I've seen people assign a lot of definitions to both categories:
Nice guy--someone known to be pleasant to women and to everyone, relatively kind and easy-going. May be rather quiet, or may be not that well-known. However, there are plenty of extroverted nice guys too.
Bad boy--someone known to be more aggressive and assertive, may have trouble with authority figures. May be rather loud and brash in his actions, what he says, and the way he interacts with authorities; but there are plenty of quiet bad boys too.
It's sloppy, but those definitions will do for the moment. Anyway, I get annoyed when I hear women say they like "nice guys" or "bad boys" as a category. I think that women need to be more careful than that when understanding the category. Forget what category they fall into (and any list that has only two categories is pretty dumb), WHY are they in that category?
Let's take bad boys first. Some men are naturally aggressive, and tend to act first and ask questions later. However, they are this way because of their passion for what they think is important. And if their list of "what is important" includes things like standing up for their friends, arguing for what is right, and making sure to make the best of every moment, YES! by all means that's a bad boy worth liking. Sure, you may need to occasionally ask your bad boy to calm down or walk away, but I've known a few hyperactive guys who cut out their slightly destructive behaviors once they had a girlfriend who loved and appreciated them. Sometimes the guy is not truly as bad as he seems--he's just a little restless or going through a phase. Or, he just needs to find meaning in life, and if you can give that to him, all that passion goes towards productive things.
On the other hand, if your bad boy is that way because of his anger problem, or because he is a narcissist who desires to dominate all other sub-humans, you are crazy for liking him. Some bad boys have been mistreated before, and are now out for blood, while others have lived a privileged life and think they are owed everything. If you stick with such a man, he will leave you bruised and battered, cynically believing that all men are animals. I don't have much pity for you if you think that your love can fix his 18+ years of being a self-centered monster. And that funny sense of humor may not be because he likes having fun--it may be because he is so bitter about his life, he can't stop mocking everyone.
What about nice guys? Some guys just are really laid-back and easy-going. Yes, they are passionate about some things, but you have to encourage them to talk to find out what it is. However, just like for women, sometimes the quietest are the sweetest and most interesting. Also, some passionate guys can also be very nice...but when something happens that they think is worth fighting for, they are as aggressive and passionate as any bad boy. A gentleman in the street, perhaps, but that does not mean he will be weak when it matters. And there can be something very refreshing about someone who is slow to anger and quick to forgive. As long as this does not stem from weakness, who doesn't want a patient partner?
On the other hand, nice guys can often be that way out of fear--fear of authority, fear of growing up, fear of even the opposite gender. If he's nice to you because he's afraid that telling you the truth will make you leave, then you're in trouble. I hope you enjoy the many years of him sitting on the couch reading his paper and muttering "yes dear" "sorry dear", because that's what you're in for. Also, quite a few so-called "nice guys" can conceal a very nasty streak when they think that no one's watching. I don't care how nice you think he is; given anonymity or the chance that no one might find out, he may cruelly out-do any bad boy you know. You haven't heard him in the locker room telling the guys what he'd really do if he had a chance; I have.
Ah, as usual, I've been properly bipolar in my post! But I hope this helped you a little bit. Don't fall in love with a category by itself--keep your eyes open and find out why the person is that way. If you do this wisely, you may find yourself an absolutely wonderful man that would have been easy to write-off at first as a one-dimensional joker or softie.
Comments (27)
You're absolutely right! :]
Great post!
Very properly bipolar. I like to consider myself in the first group of "nice guy," but with said bipolar-ness it's tough to exactly fall into one category.
bipolar indeed, sir. but good, nonetheless.
every nice guy has some attractive bad-boy potential.
i made it happen.
i ain't no jerk, though.
Ah, forget nice guys and bad boys. I prefer general men. No category needed.
@TheBigShowAtUD - Ha, yes, and women often don't realize how easily men can move across those boundaries. For example, most people on here seem to think I'm a nice guy, and I am on here. However, part of that is that I promised myself I'd never get in Internet fights with strangers, and I wouldn't whine on the 'Net. Thus my angry, depressed, sullen bad-boy moments don't get on here, save for the occasional destruction of brownies, ha. Just giving one example.
thnx i will keep you updated on how it goes...working with animals for the rest of my life it couldn't get much better than that!
in some minds, bad boys=players.........that's why they are "bad".....
Yay! Great post. Stereotypes and categories are made to be broken. It's rather lazy and easy in my opinion to just label yourself and then live according to that label without ever really thinking about the causes and consequences of your actions as it's easy to do.
With this sort of attitude, is it any wonder that there are a ton of unhappy couples and singles out there wondering what they can do to change things to make them happy?
yep yep very true
As always, you are right on the money.
well-said, as usual haha...
i've found that too many people fall for what they perceive others to be, rather than what they are...regardless of gender.
huh.
Yes, more realistic categories are needed. This post reminds me of a cute guy friend I knew a long time ago who had polite mannerisms and seemed altogether normal until one day he revealed that his dream was to marry and have his secretary on the side.
Luckily for me he wasn't my type or else that would have been disappointing. I was actually quasi-comforted by that statement because up until then I kept wondering to myself why I didn't have any feelings for him beyond friendship.
i just fall in love all over the place; i'm too nearsighted in love to look too far into labels.
i dont think i have a type. do you like the bad girls or the nice ones?
having seen you on a live chat i can so easily imagine you saying everything you just wrote. great post.
How old are you? I watched you eat brownies, and I thought, "Oh, he's sweet. What a funny 20- or early 30something." But you write older than that. Just curious. I like some of your insights.
thanks for giving the pigeon coop the boot, who DOES only follow two categories? If you think you do, it is yet another small form of self-deception. We are all a little more judgemental than we like to think.
On a different note, thank you for clearing this up for us.
@pillowpixies - haha. me too!
i say men are all what women make them. either their momma or girls they like/hate/date...
Did you die?
Don't worry, I won't likely fall in love with a category. Or anyone for that matter.
I think I can only recall one instance of my using such "nice guy" stereotypes in my entries. And that was a "nice christian boy" reference in which I quoted from the insane site I was referencing from. Because this site told me I had no chance of ever attracting one. lol
Yup.
Interesting. I never thought of "nice guys" that way. I always seem to date the loud ones that make the first move and such, they usually take all the attention from the nice guys it seems. This post makes me reconsider my type of guy as well. Interesting, thanks for the post!
In Christ,
Delilah
right on.
hmm.. interesting insights.
well that was interesting o_O
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